A followup on G is for Gaming, the Goddess and Feminism

It’s a shame that few of the commenters on my G is for Gaming post have the reading comprehension skills of gophers. Not once did I say you had to give me a list. I thought it was obvious that the list was for yourself. Not once did I say, what I said mattered. Not once did I go into your business but now you seem to have made it mine. I DON’”T FUCKING CARE IF YOU DO VEILING! COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!

In case you hadn’t noticed most of the pagan community and from what I’ve seen in attendance at Faires and pagan pride that most pagans are female. So yes when I say community I mean your sisters. How you all construed that into sexual abuse and rape makes me think you are victims of a Victorian hysteria epidemic. You let my post get you wound up tighter than a rubber band on a toy airplane and at this rate it’s going to head for outer space.

You seriously need to look at your mental state if you let one person get you this mad over something that I made clear was your choice in my post. Except for a few cogent calm posters the majority of you seriously need some help because you make no logical sense.

I’m not attacking anyone for doing it although I’m sure a lot of people will think I am but I do want you to list 10 reasons to do it and not just, "my Goddess told me too", because my answer to that is the same one your mother would have given you about jumping off the building. Do mothers still ask that?

If the 10 reasons are logical to you then it doesn’t matter what any old fart like me says. It only matters that you have clear reasons for yours and not someone else’s reasons.”

This is what I said. Too bad you can’t read. Smooth out your panties, having a wedgie this long is really uncomfortable and get a life besides posting the nastiness on my blog. I have not invaded any of your blogs but you feel free to abuse me on mine. (Julie I don’t count you because I know we could have a civil discussion although last I read on your blog was that you had decided you were Episcopal. So I’m a bit confused there.)

And to the coward whose email address states that you don’t want attacks but you feel quite free to make them, yes you are ass and a coward. If you are going to dish out vituperation, have the huevos to stand up and take it like a woman.

5 thoughts on “A followup on G is for Gaming, the Goddess and Feminism

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  2. I’m not mad…ok maybe a little pissed off…
    As a community we get so much bs from folks outside of said community… We don’t need it from within..
    I don’t prescribe to “in perfect love perfect trust” for everyone I meet but I do try to respect them and their faith and not past judgment how they conduct their spiritual business…I expect the same from others…maybe that’s my fault..
    Because Pagans/Witches are human’s too and fall from perfection just like the rest of the world..

    Anyway… I can’t speak for the rest but I can say for myself… I get pretty tired of hearing the same old bs about how “if you’re head covering your beat down or taking women back 100 years” paraphrasing here .. but you get the just of what I’m saying..

    My thing is everyone has an opinion and they are welcome to it…but before you express a strong opinion … at least know what your talking about…



  3. “(Julie I don’t count you because I know we could have a civil discussion although last I read on your blog was that you had decided you were Episcopal. So I’m a bit confused there.)”

    Would the two be mutually exclusive? :3 My experience ranges far and wide, and for me, what I am now does not erase what I have been. But explaining how it fits together for me is a subject that’s very large and very far afield from the conversation at hand.

    I’m sorry you’re feeling attacked. It’s a product of the fact that Pagan women who veil already tend to feel that there are lots of people in the community who not only dismiss them out of hand but treat them as idiots or enemies – and I mean, that’s really ridiculous, and I think it’s really nothing more than a thinly-veiled (heh) carryover of Islamophobia. The equation in the Western head is veil = Islam = highly virulent form of patriarchy and/or terrorism. But none of those equations is automatically always true (not to mention that even if it was, it wouldn’t logically follow that the way to stop patriarchy and terrorism was to get rid of veils).

    Beyond that, I’m afraid the reaction is really straightforward. Tone. You know about tone. You know the difference, aside from your own feelings, between “I wouldn’t use a veil to shield” and “if you use a veil to shield, you’re wrong and should learn better.” And the thing about selfishness read like – well, look, I know you’re 2nd gen in your mindset, and I know that part of that mindset is that it is, in fact, appropriate for the community/sisterhood to demand certain things. But if you knew to point out that you’re 2nd gen, you also know that the generations after 2nd are not about that. For us, trading “you must do X to please men” for “you must do Y to please women” is not adequate, because we’re holding out for “you must do what is right for you and that is not for others to decide.” For us, the sisterhood is *about* supporting each other in that, and to be called selfish, even by a stranger, for something as menial as what we wear on our heads is painful, especially when it’s accompanied by equal resistance by men who don’t like the idea that we’re “selfishly” depriving them of our sexy hair. Because yeah, that’s happening too, because American patriarchy isn’t the same beast as Islamic patriarchy: American men feel entitled to see our hair with the same vehemence we ascribe to Islamic patriarchy-headed men feeling entitled to NOT see our hair. Most Pagan women I know who cover either full or part time – and I know a good few – consider themselves feminists in at least this respect. In America and Western Europe, the decision is very certainly *not* about pleasing the patriarchs, because here the norm has shifted to “I have the right to see your hair and a considerable part of your body. Unless you’re breastfeeding, because that’s not sexy.” To that, like proper feminists, we say Bullshit.

    In our modern climate of paranoia and deliberate ignorance, *every freely chosen act is a revolutionary act.*

    …But now I’m rambling.


    • I agree with some of it but geez it started to sound a lot like homophobia and that got me (and I wasn’t the only one) because I bet if some of these women are the ones that feel quite free about telling lesbian Dianics that they’re wrong to be upset about whether someone is a woman born woman. And they better not be.

      I’m planning a peace offering but who knows if they have a sense of humour?


  4. Julie thank you and well said.. .tone is everything ..
    peace offering can go a long way …..
    I must have missed something about the whole Dianics thing… but any way


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